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>> welcome to our viewers on pbs in america and around the globe. a weakened 1/2 after the death of osama bin laden, the information sees from his compound is providing a wealth of new and information about al qaeda. bin laden's handwritten journal, together with a large collection of computer files suggests he was still a driving force in the organization. in his interview at the bbc, the u.s. attorney general strongly defended the attack which led to his death. our security correspondent has this story. >> 10 days ago, osama bin laden met his and at the hands of u.s. navy seals. he died in this room in a compound in pakistan. since then, this story of what happened has become more confused and not less. as the story changed, questions have grown over whether the intention all along was to kill them. today, i spoke to the u.s.
attorney general who was visiting london. >> y was osama bin laden killed and not captured? >> the operation was designed as a kill or capture operation. the opportunity to capture him ever presented itself. yet to look at the way in which the people who were there conducted themselves. the woman there with him was shot in the leg. the navy seals could have shot her easily in the chest and head of order -- and they did not choose to do that. they were confronted with him and made a determination as only they could have that the only appropriate thing to do was to shoot him. >> why was this legal? there have been questions of whether this was the assassination. >> this is an active national self-defense. he killed thousands of americans on september 11th and profess to want to continue those types of operations. we have now seen from the information we are gleaning from the material taken from him that he was in fact still intimately
involved in the planning and other atrocities. >> the u.s. has already released this footage of bin laden in his compound, apparently watching tv it is continuing to exploit other intelligence gained in the raid. they say al qaeda has been damaged, but not destroyed. >> perhaps the most striking evidence of al qaeda's persistent threat comes from afghanistan, or the fight against insurgents rages on. america's top military general there says he hopes the death of bin laden may weaken the group's influence on the taliban, but could it mean the country once again becomes a haven for international terror groups? >> four boys, aged 8-10, recruited four suicide bombers. they were sent to die here. but they were arrested at the
border with pakistan. they giggled nervously, not sure what to make of all. -- what to make of it all. this 10-year-old says the mullah at his mosque would not kill him and he would survive and get money for his family. suicide bombings were al qaeda's tactic, but the taliban has made it their own. this is part of osama bin laden's legacy here. there will be more videos like this. >> i want to become a martyr, i will not leave any the westerners on this sacred land. >> she is just 14 years old. by her side sits father.
the taliban deny using children as bombers. but is thought she has already blown herself up. [gunfire] osama bin laden's death has not change the military strategy in afghanistan. that remains to train men like these, afghan soldiers who will take over from nato. the americans hope the taliban, or part of it anyway, can be made to split up from al qaeda. a peace deal might then be possible and the taliban could return to afghanistan without bringing al qaeda also. for many, afghans and internationals believe the only way to end the war is with a negotiated settlement. but many worry about the cost of such a deal. this is a rally to oppose talks with the taliban.
>> we would rather/the existence which would by name be peace but in reality would be the death of pluralistic afghanistan. >> so far, the taliban showed no signs of coming in. they have issued a statement saying that osama bin laden's blood would nourish their jihad. post-bin laden, there will be no rapid end to the war in afghanistan. >> for more on where the conflict goes from here, i am joined by a the reason that special state department adviser on afghanistan and pakistan. we are chilled by those pictures of the children being used as suicide bombers. what is your assessment?
does the killing of osama bin laden change the dynamics in afghanistan? does it make things like that more or less likely? >> the taliban are likely to continue to use violence until such time there is a settlement and ceasefire. the death of bin laden may leave many in the cars i government and the taliban to -- in the karzai government, -- they would look for a peace deal that would get it there which would mean the taliban may look for a way to find an exit for that united states. >> you are looking at a situation where the taliban regained some sort of control to a negotiated settlement. we are looking at an extreme that -- an extremist islamic groups not focused on external terror, necessarily. >> yes, indeed.
the reason we went into afghanistan was not to fight the taliban extremism, but to get rid of al qaeda. we have seen the taliban attached to al qaeda all along because they refused to handover bin laden. with bin laden gone, many think the demand a break with al qaeda is pretty much meat right now. therefore, the reason to stay in afghanistan may be weaker and that would give the taliban the sense -- >> do you think the president should push back the political perception in the state that america should get out of afghanistan sooner. is this winnable militarily and should the u.s. state to get a military victory? >> a military victory in the near future does not look to be in the cards. it is clear they cannot win kabul, but we have not been able to break their backs because they have sanctuary in pakistan. this is going to be a long haul
and the taliban may calculate the reason to stick it out is because the reason to is gone. >> the reaction of the government and pakistan -- they feel they have their backs against the wall. has this made the relationship between washington and pakistan more dangerous for u.s. national security? >> it has made more difficult. it's no more dangerous that was before. we are at a point with pakistan where we are at loggerheads. our relationship is broken and they feel they may be punished for what happened with cutting off aid, with downsizing the relationship and at the same time, we feel our national security issues in pakistan are more at risk than they were before because that is where it would be clear al qaeda has been festering. >> thank you for joining us. in libya, nato aircraft have carried out fresh raids on a
compound used by muammar gaddafi in tripoli. the bombardment came just hours after the libyan leader appeared on state television for the first time in weeks. according to officials, three people were killed in the assault. >> alive and well and in the media hotel. last night, muammar gaddafi was spirited into the same room in which correspondents are issued their accreditation. it's the first time he had been seen in 12 days. not entirely surprising he would meet tribal leaders here, after all, a hotel in which the world's media is gathered is presumably the safest place in tripoli. much safer than the military compound, a city within a city surrounded by towering concrete blast walls. we were shown the evidence of three strikes. to have left deep holes in the road. the first was filled with wastewater. the second was more mysterious. from beneath protruded a web of
iron bars. it looked like a bunker. >> what happened? big explosions everywhere. many of them were wounded and many were burned to death. this is what happened. >> from here, we're taken to another site and again, to the polls. only this time, there stairs leading into the ground. crowds have been positioned along the railings and every time we tried to fill out, we were mobbed. in the next field, a group of men blocked the view of all look like a ventilation shaft. there are satellite dishes, barbwire, but television aerial above the disappearing steps. it would appear from what we have seen a dislocation, there is a sophisticated bunker network beneath this compound. it has already been hit by nato jets, but look what they have put next to it -- a children's playground. the fairground was built some time ago. officials said it was a sewage
system and redact -- and rejected the idea they were defending military installations with women and children. >> we would not forcibly have people in a military compound. this is our country. this is our city. we will not move away to allow native to bombard them. >> native continues to dismantle the ability for muammar gaddafi to control and command his forces. they're coming in on radio signals that point and to propose the underground bunkers. the military college smart warfare. you need more than propaganda to be it. >> all of questions in tripoli. in other news, two men have been arrested in new york after plotting to attack a synagogue. the mayor of new york, michael bloomberg, said the suspects bought weapons of a hand grenade from an undercover operate -- from an undercover officer. they are americans of algerian
and moroccan descent. ugandan military police have used tear gas to toward supporters of the opposition leaders as they welcomed him home. he returned from kenya on the day the president was sworn in for another term in office. in a verdict decades in the making, a german court has found 91-year-old john demjanjuk guilty as an accessory to murder in the case of 20,000 jews in poland. demjanjuk served as a guard and concentration camp and only received a five-year sentence. judge -- judges have ordered him released for his appeal. he never spent a day in prison. >> john demjanjuk is a free man. after a trial lasting 16 months, he is found guilty of helping in the murder of 28,060 people. but the judge decided he should
be free pending a final decision by germany's's highest court. for the families of those who died, the guilty verdict offered some satisfaction. >> i'm relieved was found guilty and he has five more years in prison. for me, it could have been five years, when year, it doesn't make a difference. >> john demjanjuk was captured as a soviet soldier and put on duty as a guard hurting thousands to the gas chambers. his accusers say he had a choice, even if that meant his own death. in court, some of the families of the dead sob as names of the victims were read out. he said nothing, shaking his head when offered the chance to speak from his wheelchair. his lawyers said he would appeal against a verdict and a not think he should have been extradited to face trial in the first place. >> the trial was never worth while in any sense of all.
he's just a scapegoat for the germans. he has to pay for all the mistakes they made in the past and that is not justice. >> so john demjanjuk will be free, pending his appeal. the highest court may bring him back to prison but there's the possibility that he will die in freedom in germany. >> an extraordinary story. in spain, thousands of residents remain on edge and day after the country's deadliest earthquake in more than half a century. nine people were killed and there was extensive damage to one of the towns as the earthquake struck. the quake was shallow which magnified the impact. >> in lorca today, inspectors went house-to-house inspecting the damage. this was the worst earthquake in decades. there is barely a building that
escaped unscathed. teams of inspectors are working their way around the buildings affected by the quake, trying to establish which ones were damaged beyond repair and where might be possible for a family to move back in. these were among the residents briefly allowed back, to salvage what they could from the wreckage. it was not stay -- it was not safe to stay here. when the earthquake hit, it sent huge chunks of amazing -- huge chunks of masonry crashing to the street. most of the dead were killed outside by falling debris. today, the massive cleanup operation has begun. francisco and knows he will not be going home soon. he says his house has been destroyed and he has no idea
what the future holds. thousands here are facing another night of refugees in their own town. the mayor has promised tense for everyone tonight, but their fears caused by the earthquake are now being replaced by a deep frustration. >> you are watching "bbc world news america." coming up -- traveling back in time. after the doomsday project collected a wealth of data, it's been given new life on the web. today, queen elizabeth reached the milestone of being the second longest reigning monarch in british history, passing king george the third in total days. if she's been on the throne for more than 59 years. it's a record only surpassed by queen victoria whose reign stretched more than 63 years. we have more on this historic day.
>> last month, a few days before her grandson's wedding, she celebrated her 85th birthday. next year, she will reach her diamond jubilee -- 60 years chintz she became britain's queen. no one can quite capture her style, though some have tried. this was a meeting a few days ago with the actress helen merrin who portrayed her on film. and iran it's not short of milestone, elizabeth roman numeral to just reach another. -- elizabeth ii reached another. the only bridge sovereign has reigned for longer was queen victoria, who occupied the throne for more than 63 years until her death in 1901. like victoria, elizabeth came to the throne as a young woman. but unlike oliver predecessors, she's been able to travel the globe and witness a changing world at close quarters. this was fiji in 1954. nearly 60 years later and the
distractions and sadnesses of the 1990's are behind her. >> i think she's very popular and very much respected. i think people see much more what she is about now that all that terrible break up scandal, family behaving badly is in the past. >> the queen will never retired british occupied the throne until the moment of death. will she be the queen victoria's record? if she is still on the throne on the 10th of september, 2015, she will have done so. few at the moment to imagine she won't. >> prices at the pump -- it's a shoo everyone who drives a car knows about and as we all know, prices are very high these days. in the -- the ceos of the five biggest oil companies today, it was no surprise they got an earful on their healthy profits
and questions about whether they really deserve tax breaks. but the savviest global investors may have some good news on the future direction of oil prices. a worldwide poll released today suggests mixed views and the state of the economy. with me to discuss the findings is al hunt, executive director of bloomberg news. i have to ask about the congressional hearings. a lot of americans might ask if these oil companies deserve tax breaks when we are paying some of the pump. >> just because exxon mobil made $10.7 billion -- in the first quarter. they get multibillion-dollar tax breaks. i think that's true. it will be a great debate on capitol hill. the conventional wisdom is not much will happen because it never does. but if there is to be some kind of package at some point, it seems it's very hard for the politicians to say we're going to cut back on medicaid and telegrams, but we're not going to take away a little bit from the oil companies.
i don't think it will be big, but they will take a little bit. >> you have investors making money and they know it's going on in the global economy suggesting oil prices might come down. >> that was one bit of good news. this was a 1250 investors are around the globe. about 40% thought oil prices would come down over the next six months. about a third thought they would go up, but it's by and large good news. >> why -- what will push them down? >> i think they would argue that some of it is supply and demand. if the libyan situation, which is a small part of oil becomes more tranquil, that would help. but basically, there's been of an artificial rise and the feeling is it will come back. again, only 40% said that. i don't want to exaggerated. it is also interesting because there optimism about the world
economy in general has tempered over the last three or four months from the previous time we did a poll. >> are those two related? are the oil prices impacting optimism about the global economy generally? if we see it all prices come down and commodity prices come down, with that change the optimism quotient? >> yes. you can get it both ways. if oil prices go up too fast, that hurts the economy. if they come down to much, that can be a bad indicator. a lot of it has to do with global uncertainty right now. it's not dramatically different than three or four months ago. they think the united states is probably the best place to invest. the u.k. trails badly for investment opportunities. the good news for the brits is they have a high view of david cameron. >> where are people putting their money? >> lot of them are putting it in
cash because they're not sure which way the wind is going to blow. >> i expect you'll be doing the same with your vast fortune. >> if i could invest it with you, that would help. >> imagines a life without the ipad, facebook or the world wide web. this is not a desert island, its reality 25 years ago. back then, people were asked by the uk by the bbc to take place in what was called the doomsday project with the aim of offering a snapshot of life in their local communities. the only problem is the data was put on laser disks. it's a format that quickly found its way on the scrap heap of history. now the information is being recovered and going on line for the first time. >> 1986 and the groundbreaking scheme is recording daily life in britain. >> the first thing you want to do is put in the immunity card. >> the doomsday project assembled a voluntary army of
schoolchildren, women's institutes and others to describe their area in words and pictures. >> it was user-generated content. it was a bit like google maps, but all this with 25 years ago when all this had to be invented. >> now some of those involved in getting a chance to look at what they wrote to then. >> i am eight and a like fashionable clothes like jumpsuits. that is really funny. i still like fashionable clothes, but not like jumpsuits. it's bizarre just reading that. it's completely different to what i remember. >> the idea was every school and library would end up with a doomsday system made up with a bbc microcomputer and state of the art laser discs to display the data. the trouble was that technology was soon out of date. the player for the disks was very expensive and soon, the whole format was obsolete. so those who had been involved
in collecting the information could no longer see it. >> it's so long ago, we stopped feeling across about it. we weren't really cross about it, it was what are we doing this for? we did enjoy doing it. >> the data has not been recovered and can be viewed on the bbc website. in 1986, there was no world wide web or digital cameras. hardly anyone had a mobile phone. 25 years on, technology should make a doomsday project a whole lot easier. >> did we really look that bad in the '80s? while you are on line checking at the doomsday entries, make sure to visit our web site where you'll find constant updates on the day's news. you can get in touch with me and most of the bbc team on twitter as well. that does it for tonight's broadcast. from all of us here at "bbc world news america" thank you
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